so when i hear barack obama saying mitt romney's a right-wing radical and mitt romney's saying barack obama is a european socialist, it's a joke because al, there's not, unfortunately, a lot of serious talk about -- and you talk to simpson-bowles about the key issues that are going to bankrupt us, not in the next generation, but over the next decade. >> you're right, joe. and the architecture's out there. we know what we have to do. >> right. >> both sides know what we have to do. both sides have to compromise some. particularly social security's not that hard at all. >> no. >> but no one's talking about it. this is a strange campaign. in some ways people talk about what they want to do 10 or 15 years from now. no one's talking about what we're going to do in the next couple years. usually it's the other way around with politicians. neither romney nor obama has told people here's how your life will be better if i'm elected president. >> or harder. >> there are some sacrifices, but those sacrifices are supposed to make it better. >> but we talked last night, mark, about candidates and